Pennsylvania State Police Interview Transcript - Nancy Kasabian - Sunday, August 11th, 1985

Pennsylvania State Highway Patrol Department Transcript

INTERVIEW

Q - Pennsylvania State Highway Patrol Officer Brian Groves
A - Nancy Michelle Kasabian

Sunday, August 11th, 1985
                                                                      

Groves: I am Officer Brian Groves of the Pennsylvania State Highway Patrol and, uh, I will be interviewing...Nancy Michelle Kasabian, um, the time is now 10:50am. Alright...now, it's alright, I just need you to say and spell your name for me. Can you do that?

Kasabian: (inaudible) Nancy Kasabian. N-A-N-C-Y, K-A-S-A-B-I-A-N.

Groves: Thank you, Nancy. What was your position at Camp Silver Bear?

Kasabian: I was a counselor--an assistant head.

Groves: And who was your immediate supervisor?

Kasabian: (inaudible)...Dave.

Groves: David Haggerty.

Kasabian: Yes.

Groves: Alright, I know this is hard, but I need...

Kasabian: (inaudible)

Groves: ...I need you to tell me exactly what happened on the evening of August 10th, 1985.

Kasabian: Please...

Groves: Nancy, I just need it one more time, okay? Can you do this?

Kasabian: (inaudible)

Groves: Nancy...

Kasabian: Okay...(inaudible) I need a cigarette.

Groves: Of course. Here.

Kasabian: Thanks.

Groves: Some water?

Kasabian: Yeah. (inaudible)

Groves: Can we get some water, please? Just a second, Nancy.

Kasabian: (inaudible)

Groves: Thanks, here you are, Nancy.

Kasabian: Thank you.

Groves: Feel better?

Kasabian: Yes.

Groves: Nancy...what happened when you walked to the performance?

Kasabian: It was...the end of the summer play, so...uh, I couldn't find them and went ahead.

Groves: You couldn't find who?

Kasabian: The staff. None of the counselors. The ones that hadn't, um...hadn't been sent home. I walked up the trail to the amphitheater and...I looked down at the seats and all of the kids were there. They were...(inaudible)...they were all just...staring at me. God, it was so cold up there. They didn't say a word and I couldn't move. I wanted to run away, but I couldn't. Then Walt came out on stage.

Groves: Walter McAlister. He was the head of maintenance at Camp Silver Bear.

Kasabian: Right, yeah...yeah, he came out with...(inaudible)

Groves: Nancy...

Kasabian: He had a mop and bucket. Like he was about to mop the stage. God, he smiled and was nice. It made...(inaudible)...it made me feel good for a second, like it was the beginning of summer again...he waved at me.

Groves: And what did he say?

Kasabian: He said, "Hi, Nancy...it's time to clean up." Then...he pulled out the mop, but...(inaudible)...it was all bloody. And he smiled at me again. Then he reached into the bucket...and he pulled out...(inaudible)...a head. Oh God, it was Zagnuts...

Groves: Zagnuts. That was Mitchell Hedgrew?

Kasabian: Yeah, (inaudible)...everybody called him Zagnuts...oh God...

Groves: It's okay, Nancy.

Kasabian: I wanted to throw up. That's when somebody grabbed me. It was Phil and he--

Groves: Phillip Mantel.

Kasabian: Yeah, he...he grabbed me and drug me down the steps to the stage. God, I couldn't get away. (inaudible) I screamed for the kids to help! But...they just stared...their eyes...they...(inaudible)like their eyes were dead. (inaudible) Phil pulled me on stage and threw me down. God, Walt still had Zagnuts' head in his hand. (inaudible)...Walt asked me if I had ever met his son, then that's when this guy came out. He was...he was dressed in a robe and had a hood on. I--I couldn't see his face at first...then he took off the hood...and...(inaudible)...my God, it was Matt.

Groves: Matthew Harrison. The bus driver.

Kasabian: Yeah, he...(inaudible)...then Walt laughed and threw that head at my feet...(inaudible)...Oh, God, the blood...I screamed...then that was the last thing I remember before--

Groves: You passed out.

Kasabian: I must've. 'Cause the next thing I know I'm under the bridge tied to that fucking thing!

Groves: The rock altar under Vandez Bridge, is that correct?

Kasabian: Yes...(inaudible)...I looked around and I'm naked...Oh my God, they...(inaudible)...then I see them...they were all dead. Brenda, Joey, Tyrone...Dave...(inaudible) Dave!--

Groves: Nancy...

Kasabian: Sonny was just strung up like a...Oh God, there was blood everywhere...and Sam...poor Sam. She was...all chewed up...(inaudible)...what did they do to her?

Groves: Samantha Pugh.

Kasabian: It's like they cut her fucking heart out!

Groves: Nancy...

Kasabian: Phil just stood there, staring at me. (inaudible) Walt, Matt...they just stared and wouldn't say a word. I begged them not to hurt me. They...(inaudible)...they just stared. Then he walked in, Dansby.

Groves: Sheriff Miller Dansby.

Kasabian: He came in and told me they wouldn't hurt me...(inaudible)...he said he wouldn't let them. He told me I was very lucky...because I was going to...(inaudible)...

Groves: Please, Nancy...

Kasabian: (inaudible)...I was going to carry the child of darkness and light...(inaudible)...then he took off his shirt...(inaudible)...he had a tattoo of a demon across his whole front...my God...(inaudible)...I looked at Phil and begged him. Then Dansby said I shouldn't look at Phil because he couldn't help because he was just a soldier...That's when Matt walked over to Phil...(inaudible)...and pulled out a knife...he put the knife to Phil's throat...(inaudible)...Dansby nodded and...(inaudible)...Matt cut his throat...Phil didn't even try to fight back...he just stood there and let Matt cut into his throat...God...Phil just stood there and bled...until he fell down.

Groves: Then what happened?

Kasabian: Dansby said Phil was never one of them. That he was just a dog. I screamed...and I tried to get loose...then the three of them took off their clothes. (inaudible) They were going to rape me...(inaudible)...Dansby crawled on top of me and...(inaudible)...God, he was drooling...but...I don't know what happened, I just--I blacked out. When I came to...I was at the lake with those boys.

Groves: The campers who had been missing, correct? Isaac Hollis, Hobie Quinn, Theodore Dillard, James Barnes and Steven Fellberg.

Kasabian: Yeah...I couldn't...say anything, I didn't know if I was dead...(inaudible)...are they...

Groves: They are safe and they're okay.

Kasabian: They...they saved me, didn't they?

Groves: Yes, Nancy. It appears they did.

Kasabian: (inaudible)

Groves: Thank you for your help, Nancy.